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Need a new chain, but which and why???


Lo all...

I've got a small problem, chain links are locking up again, and I expect this is mainly due to grit and !@#$ on the roads from this time of year getting stick in me O rings on the chain, but no matter how much I clean the chain and try to keep it clean, this keeps happening, so I think the chain has finally kicked the bucket, time for a new one...

Sounds like a simple clear cut case, well maybe not consider this...

There are two types of decent chain we can use on our bike...

DID O ring 525V 108 link

OR

DID X ring 525VM 108 link

Now I'm thinking the X ring would be better, purely because of the X ring, it would be harder for shite to get stuck between the X ring and the links? where as on the O ring this is whats happening and causing the chain to lock.

Now the X ring chain, like the O ring chain, comes as a split chain, but the difference being for the X ring chain, you have to rivit it together bcos it's designed for bikes upto 750cc, where as the O ring chain is just done with a spare link and spring clip.

So what I was wondering, does it make any difference considering we are on a 400cc machine using a sping clip link on an X ring chain like the O ring we normally use, or scrapping that idea, if I have to rivit this X ring chain, how do I do that, does it require a special tool?

O ring is about £65 inc p&p, X ring is £93 inc p&p. So I don't know if it's worth the extra dosh, I looked at a chain riveter, they are around £40 I donno if it's worth it or not :\

I am thinking if you got a more powerful bike over 500cc, then you got no choice need a strong chain and a chain riveter to sort it, but as ours is only 400cc, is there the need, I just liked the idea of the X ring to stop crud locking up the chain , surely I could get away with using a link on an X ring chain???

Anyway views etc, would be appericated, my plan was, to get an X ring chain that was longer than 108 links, take of the spare ones, use the X ring seals from them with a spring clip link to complete the chain, that way I get an X ring chain on my bike, without having to use a rivetor and should last longer cos the X ring is less likely to catch !@#$ that locks up the chain.

(Garage said what's the point as using an link in the chain is making that the weakest part of the chain, but the X ring chain is over engineered strength wise for our type of bike they are made for 750s etc, so I don't think I should be fussed about the strength, as I'm happy with the strength an O ring chain offered, and that link can always be replaced a few times, I just want a chain that grit etc ain't gonna keep locking up)

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Re: Need a new chain, but which and why???


Cant see a problem with link off o ring on x ring, as you said the strength of the o ring is ok on our bikes emoticon

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Re: Need a new chain, but which and why???


Well new development on this...

Apparently spring clip with link on an O ring chain should only be used in an emergency, and not as "the norm" so that sorta pisses on my fire LOL

Looks like I'm shagged either way gonna have to invest in a chain rivetor, still going to buy a longer one than I need just so I got spare links to use and rivet in, now just on the lookout for one that don't cost too much emoticon

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eyup furry.just put a new o ring chain on mi gixer.got old one off wi an angle grinder and a pin punch.connected new one up wi a reviting link.held the reviting link together wi some mole grips (g clamp if yev got one)put 15 pound hammer behind it,and mi foot,then revited pin ends over,first wi a centre punch downt middle then flattend em wi a ball peined hammer.am a tight yorkshire bastard who dont wanna spend 40 quid on sommat al hardly use.av done it a few times before on bigger bikes wi no probs.only difference between o ring an x ring is the shape of the seal,less friction with x ring,about 1 bhp.hope this helps.talk later.
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forgot ta tell ya,you cant revit standard links,revit links are specials.yer better off getting the right length chain en a couple of revit links.in case yer !@#$ one up.
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Just snapped a spring link on an O-ring chain wheelying my SG350, which puts out around 33bhp, so I wouldnt want one on a Gixxer 400. Having said that, my GSXR appears to have come with a split link O-ring chain on it, and I'm not planning on buying a new chain anytime soon.

As for the chain rivitor, there are some going for ok prices (compared to the catalogues) on eBay, just don't outbid me on any
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 furb you are better off with the rivit one ,and you don't need special tools ,just make sure you use backing so that you are not banging on the sprocket.wtf: the "X" chain is the later tech. item and probably better . There are so many grades of chain made by all manufacturers even DID make some terrible crap and some really good chain . All you can do is hope you are not paying good price for bad quality . Rivits and "X" rings are a sign of quality snap rings and "o" rings or no rings are not.

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Well I think I'll go for an X ring and rivit it, there is 3 main types of road X ring, ZVM, VM and V (in DID terms) I will get a V as can get one of them fairly cheep, soon as I'm planning to do alot less miles on my 400, and do alot more on the GS500e, thought that be a wise comperimise, I never had any real problems with the O ring chains, it's lasted the bike since I've had it and prolly some time for the previous owner as well, but yes X ring chain for me is a step in the right direction, it has the strength and riviting it not a problem toolset to do it is £50 new, I'll get one of them as I've got a few bikes so might as well invest the money in decent tools to sort it.

Sping clips shouldn't come off unless there is a serious problem with it, I.e. the bushes over the pins are coroded solid or the clip has failed for some reason like rust etc.

Anyway I'll let you know how I get on, Dynamic I looked at the chain splitters on ebay thought they was all a bit on the tame side might be worth getting a proper set to do it with, I've been reading other forums about poorly done chains and them comming off taking of peeps legs and chains trying to cut into ya brain though ya helmet etc etc, for sake of £50 I ain't gonna moan! Allthough the most expensive X ring chain (ZVM) for the gsxr400 is over £100, ouch!, A good Quality X ring (VM) is £90, the V is a wee bit cheeper than that, if it wasn't for the fact I'm planning on doing less miles on my 400 I would go for the "VM" emoticon

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Dynamic I looked at the chain splitters on ebay thought they was all a bit on the tame side might be worth getting a proper set to do it with, I've been reading other forums about poorly done chains and them comming off taking of peeps legs and chains trying to cut into ya brain though ya helmet etc etc, for sake of £50 I ain't gonna moan!



Most of the ones I saw on eBay appeared to be the same as the ones M&P were selling for around £45 - £50. On the other hand, if you can find any better ones, it's always a good idea to buy the best you can afford where tools are concerned.

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Re: Need a new chain, but which and why???


I like daves answer also being a tight youkshire git emoticon

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